Discussion:
Kannel multiboxing.
Gert Tamm
2018-11-27 11:28:54 UTC
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Hello,

I have question if you could multibox kannel in one computer?

And how to set up 2 servers with one database to load balance the
sending of SMS?
--
Tervitades/Best Wishes,
Gert Tamm
Süsteemiadministraator/System administrator
E-mail: ***@messenger.ee
Direct Messenger OÜ
Davor Spasoski
2018-11-27 12:06:49 UTC
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1. Yes, just dedicate unique ports to your two instances of the boxes
2. This is actually a very good question to which I don't have an answer. It is certainly possible to instruct both instances to use the same DB, typically used as a store and/or DLR repository, but I wonder how will kannel handle the concurrency? Load balancing is usually brought on kannel table in the context of balancing between SMS centers, not instances of kannel. It's best if you try, and you would probably need to set same smsc-ids, etc. I'm interested of the results.
If you wish to accomplish kannel redundancy another way is to use active/standby kannel, and I don't see a reason why wouldn't this work.

BR,
Davor Spasoski

one.Vip DOOEL Skopje | Ploshtad Presveta Bogorodica 1 | 1000 Skopje | Macedonia
-----Original Message-----
From: users <users-***@kannel.org> On Behalf Of Gert Tamm
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:29 PM
To: ***@kannel.org
Subject: Kannel multiboxing.

Hello,

I have question if you could multibox kannel in one computer?

And how to set up 2 servers with one database to load balance the sending of SMS?
--
Tervitades/Best Wishes,
Gert Tamm
Süsteemiadministraator/System administrator
E-mail: ***@messenger.ee
Direct Messenger OÜ



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Web Services
2018-11-27 12:48:54 UTC
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Hi,

2 servers is possible if you use kannel with sqlbox. on first server
install kannel and sqlbox and on second server keep only for reporting.
make a cron job script on second server which access sqlbox table
(Remotely) and insert data in local DB

we are using this method from last 2 years and works fine

thanks

Deepak
Post by Davor Spasoski
1. Yes, just dedicate unique ports to your two instances of the boxes
2. This is actually a very good question to which I don't have an answer.
It is certainly possible to instruct both instances to use the same DB,
typically used as a store and/or DLR repository, but I wonder how will
kannel handle the concurrency? Load balancing is usually brought on kannel
table in the context of balancing between SMS centers, not instances of
kannel. It's best if you try, and you would probably need to set same
smsc-ids, etc. I'm interested of the results.
If you wish to accomplish kannel redundancy another way is to use
active/standby kannel, and I don't see a reason why wouldn't this work.
BR,
Davor Spasoski
one.Vip DOOEL Skopje | Ploshtad Presveta Bogorodica 1 | 1000 Skopje | Macedonia
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:29 PM
Subject: Kannel multiboxing.
Hello,
I have question if you could multibox kannel in one computer?
And how to set up 2 servers with one database to load balance the sending of SMS?
--
Tervitades/Best Wishes,
Gert Tamm
SÃŒsteemiadministraator/System administrator
Direct Messenger OÜ
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бОЎе заштОтеМа сП правМО прОвОлегОО. ДПкПлку Ме сте лОцетП Ма кПе таа Ќу е
МаЌеМета пПраката, Ме треба Ўа ја кПпОрате, ЎОстрОбуОрате ОлО Ўа ја
ПткрОвате МејзОМата сПЎржОМа, туку веЎМаш Ўа ја препратОте ЎП ОспраќачПт О
Ўа ја ОзбрОшете ПрОгОМалМата пПрака О сОте МејзОМО кПпОО ПЎ ВашОПт
кПЌпјутерскО сОстеЌ. СекПе МеПвластеМП кПрОстење Ма Пваа пПрака вП целПст
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електрПМскОте пПракО се пПЎлПжМО Ма прПЌеМО. ПМе.ВОп ДООЕЛ СкПпје Ме
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ОМфПрЌацООте сПЎржаМО вП Пваа кПЌуМОкацОја, МОту пак за бОлП каквП
заЎПцМување Ма прОеЌПт ОлО Пштетувања Ма вашОПт сОстеЌ.
Ве ЌПлОЌе Ме ја печатете Пваа пПрака ПсвеМ акП Ме е МеПпхПЎМП! Зачувајте
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Web Min
2018-11-27 15:15:00 UTC
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Hi, coinhosting

Can you guide us about the installation and preparation? I tried to use
SQLBOX before but I'm facing a lot of problems.

One more question, do you recommend to install & prepare the server via the
apt-get repositories or via compilation source code?

Regards
Post by Web Services
Hi,
2 servers is possible if you use kannel with sqlbox. on first server
install kannel and sqlbox and on second server keep only for reporting.
make a cron job script on second server which access sqlbox table
(Remotely) and insert data in local DB
we are using this method from last 2 years and works fine
thanks
Deepak
Post by Davor Spasoski
1. Yes, just dedicate unique ports to your two instances of the boxes
2. This is actually a very good question to which I don't have an answer.
It is certainly possible to instruct both instances to use the same DB,
typically used as a store and/or DLR repository, but I wonder how will
kannel handle the concurrency? Load balancing is usually brought on kannel
table in the context of balancing between SMS centers, not instances of
kannel. It's best if you try, and you would probably need to set same
smsc-ids, etc. I'm interested of the results.
If you wish to accomplish kannel redundancy another way is to use
active/standby kannel, and I don't see a reason why wouldn't this work.
BR,
Davor Spasoski
one.Vip DOOEL Skopje | Ploshtad Presveta Bogorodica 1 | 1000 Skopje | Macedonia
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:29 PM
Subject: Kannel multiboxing.
Hello,
I have question if you could multibox kannel in one computer?
And how to set up 2 servers with one database to load balance the sending of SMS?
--
Tervitades/Best Wishes,
Gert Tamm
SÃŒsteemiadministraator/System administrator
Direct Messenger OÜ
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Оваа електрПМска пПрака (вклучувајќО гО О прОлПзОте) е ЎПверлОва О ЌПже
Ўа бОЎе заштОтеМа сП правМО прОвОлегОО. ДПкПлку Ме сте лОцетП Ма кПе таа Ќу
е МаЌеМета пПраката, Ме треба Ўа ја кПпОрате, ЎОстрОбуОрате ОлО Ўа ја
ПткрОвате МејзОМата сПЎржОМа, туку веЎМаш Ўа ја препратОте ЎП ОспраќачПт О
Ўа ја ОзбрОшете ПрОгОМалМата пПрака О сОте МејзОМО кПпОО ПЎ ВашОПт
кПЌпјутерскО сОстеЌ. СекПе МеПвластеМП кПрОстење Ма Пваа пПрака вП целПст
ОлО ЎелПвО ПЎ Остата е стрПгП забраМетП. Ве ЌПлОЌе Ўа забележОте Ўека
електрПМскОте пПракО се пПЎлПжМО Ма прПЌеМО. ПМе.ВОп ДООЕЛ СкПпје Ме
презеЌа ПЎгПвПрМПст за МесППЎветМП ОлО МецелПсМП преМесување Ма
ОМфПрЌацООте сПЎржаМО вП Пваа кПЌуМОкацОја, МОту пак за бОлП каквП
заЎПцМување Ма прОеЌПт ОлО Пштетувања Ма вашОПт сОстеЌ.
Ве ЌПлОЌе Ме ја печатете Пваа пПрака ПсвеМ акП Ме е МеПпхПЎМП! Зачувајте
ја прОрПЎата!
Gert Tamm
2018-11-28 08:54:58 UTC
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The reason I wanan try Load Balancing, is that our outgoing sms speed is
slow when we send it maxes out (8.3x,5.xx,x.xx). How could I make it better?
Post by Davor Spasoski
1. Yes, just dedicate unique ports to your two instances of the boxes
2. This is actually a very good question to which I don't have an answer. It is certainly possible to instruct both instances to use the same DB, typically used as a store and/or DLR repository, but I wonder how will kannel handle the concurrency? Load balancing is usually brought on kannel table in the context of balancing between SMS centers, not instances of kannel. It's best if you try, and you would probably need to set same smsc-ids, etc. I'm interested of the results.
If you wish to accomplish kannel redundancy another way is to use active/standby kannel, and I don't see a reason why wouldn't this work.
BR,
Davor Spasoski
one.Vip DOOEL Skopje | Ploshtad Presveta Bogorodica 1 | 1000 Skopje | Macedonia
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:29 PM
Subject: Kannel multiboxing.
Hello,
I have question if you could multibox kannel in one computer?
And how to set up 2 servers with one database to load balance the sending of SMS?
--
Tervitades/Best Wishes,
Gert Tamm
Süsteemiadministraator/System administrator
Direct Messenger OÜ
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Оваа електронска порака (вклучувајќи ги и прилозите) е доверлива и може да биде заштитена со правни привилегии. Доколку не сте лицето на кое таа му е наменета пораката, не треба да ја копирате, дистрибуирате или да ја откривате нејзината содржина, туку веднаш да ја препратите до испраќачот и да ја избришете оригиналната порака и сите нејзини копии од Вашиот компјутерски систем. Секое неовластено користење на оваа порака во целост или делови од истата е строго забрането. Ве молиме да забележите дека електронските пораки се подложни на промени. оне.Вип ДООЕЛ Скопје не презема одговорност за несоодветно или нецелосно пренесување на информациите содржани во оваа комуникација, ниту пак за било какво задоцнување на приемот или оштетувања на вашиот систем.
Ве молиме не ја печатете оваа порака освен ако не е неопходно! Зачувајте ја природата!
--
Tervitades/Best Wishes,
Gert Tamm
Süsteemiadministraator/System administrator
E-mail: ***@messenger.ee
Direct Messenger OÜ
Davor Spasoski
2018-11-28 09:01:12 UTC
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Hm, that could be for a number of reasons. If kannel is firing the submit_sm PDUs fast enough, check if you are getting any throttling errors? Also check the throughput to your SMSC.
Alternatively, you can always multi-bind to the same SMSC using same smsc-id in your kannel config and kannel will load balance for you on the same instance.

--Davor

-----Original Message-----
From: Gert Tamm <***@messenger.ee>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:55 AM
To: Davor Spasoski <***@onevip.mk>; ***@kannel.org
Subject: Re: Kannel multiboxing.

The reason I wanan try Load Balancing, is that our outgoing sms speed is slow when we send it maxes out (8.3x,5.xx,x.xx). How could I make it better?
Post by Davor Spasoski
1. Yes, just dedicate unique ports to your two instances of the boxes
2. This is actually a very good question to which I don't have an answer. It is certainly possible to instruct both instances to use the same DB, typically used as a store and/or DLR repository, but I wonder how will kannel handle the concurrency? Load balancing is usually brought on kannel table in the context of balancing between SMS centers, not instances of kannel. It's best if you try, and you would probably need to set same smsc-ids, etc. I'm interested of the results.
If you wish to accomplish kannel redundancy another way is to use active/standby kannel, and I don't see a reason why wouldn't this work.
BR,
Davor Spasoski
one.Vip DOOEL Skopje | Ploshtad Presveta Bogorodica 1 | 1000 Skopje | Macedonia
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:29 PM
Subject: Kannel multiboxing.
Hello,
I have question if you could multibox kannel in one computer?
And how to set up 2 servers with one database to load balance the sending of SMS?
--
Tervitades/Best Wishes,
Gert Tamm
Süsteemiadministraator/System administrator
Direct Messenger OÜ
________________________________
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Напомена: оне.Вип ДООЕЛ Скопје
Оваа електронска порака (вклучувајќи ги и прилозите) е доверлива и може да биде заштитена со правни привилегии. Доколку не сте лицето на кое таа му е наменета пораката, не треба да ја копирате, дистрибуирате или да ја откривате нејзината содржина, туку веднаш да ја препратите до испраќачот и да ја избришете оригиналната порака и сите нејзини копии од Вашиот компјутерски систем. Секое неовластено користење на оваа порака во целост или делови од истата е строго забрането. Ве молиме да забележите дека електронските пораки се подложни на промени. оне.Вип ДООЕЛ Скопје не презема одговорност за несоодветно или нецелосно пренесување на информациите содржани во оваа комуникација, ниту пак за било какво задоцнување на приемот или оштетувања на вашиот систем.
Ве молиме не ја печатете оваа порака освен ако не е неопходно! Зачувајте ја природата!
--
Tervitades/Best Wishes,
Gert Tamm
Süsteemiadministraator/System administrator
E-mail: ***@messenger.ee
Direct Messenger OÜ


________________________________

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Оваа електронска порака (вклучувајќи ги и прилозите) е доверлива и може да биде заштитена со правни привилегии. Доколку не сте лицето на кое таа му е наменета пораката, не треба да ја копирате, дистрибуирате или да ја откривате нејзината содржина, туку веднаш да ја препратите до испраќачот и да ја избришете оригиналната порака и сите нејзини копии од Вашиот компјутерски систем. Секое неовластено користење на оваа порака во целост или делови од истата е строго забрането. Ве молиме да забележите дека електронските пораки се подложни на промени. оне.Вип ДООЕЛ Скопје не презема одговорност за несоодветно или нецелосно пренесување на информациите содржани во оваа комуникација, ниту пак за било какво задоцнување на приемот или оштетувања на вашиот систем.
Ве молиме не ја печатете оваа порака освен ако не е неопходно! Зачувајте ја пр
Web Min
2018-11-28 09:04:48 UTC
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As suggested Bavor, you can open multiple sessions as a transmitter (like 3
sessions) and one receiver to get the status back from the provider
Post by Davor Spasoski
Hm, that could be for a number of reasons. If kannel is firing the
submit_sm PDUs fast enough, check if you are getting any throttling errors?
Also check the throughput to your SMSC.
Alternatively, you can always multi-bind to the same SMSC using same
smsc-id in your kannel config and kannel will load balance for you on the
same instance.
--Davor
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kannel multiboxing.
The reason I wanan try Load Balancing, is that our outgoing sms speed is
slow when we send it maxes out (8.3x,5.xx,x.xx). How could I make it better?
Post by Davor Spasoski
1. Yes, just dedicate unique ports to your two instances of the boxes
2. This is actually a very good question to which I don't have an
answer. It is certainly possible to instruct both instances to use the same
DB, typically used as a store and/or DLR repository, but I wonder how will
kannel handle the concurrency? Load balancing is usually brought on kannel
table in the context of balancing between SMS centers, not instances of
kannel. It's best if you try, and you would probably need to set same
smsc-ids, etc. I'm interested of the results.
Post by Davor Spasoski
If you wish to accomplish kannel redundancy another way is to use
active/standby kannel, and I don't see a reason why wouldn't this work.
Post by Davor Spasoski
BR,
Davor Spasoski
one.Vip DOOEL Skopje | Ploshtad Presveta Bogorodica 1 | 1000 Skopje |
Macedonia
Post by Davor Spasoski
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:29 PM
Subject: Kannel multiboxing.
Hello,
I have question if you could multibox kannel in one computer?
And how to set up 2 servers with one database to load balance the
sending of SMS?
Post by Davor Spasoski
--
Tervitades/Best Wishes,
Gert Tamm
SÃŒsteemiadministraator/System administrator
Direct Messenger OÜ
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НапПЌеМа: ПМе.ВОп ДООЕЛ СкПпје
Оваа електрПМска пПрака (вклучувајќО гО О прОлПзОте) е ЎПверлОва О ЌПже
Ўа бОЎе заштОтеМа сП правМО прОвОлегОО. ДПкПлку Ме сте лОцетП Ма кПе таа Ќу
е МаЌеМета пПраката, Ме треба Ўа ја кПпОрате, ЎОстрОбуОрате ОлО Ўа ја
ПткрОвате МејзОМата сПЎржОМа, туку веЎМаш Ўа ја препратОте ЎП ОспраќачПт О
Ўа ја ОзбрОшете ПрОгОМалМата пПрака О сОте МејзОМО кПпОО ПЎ ВашОПт
кПЌпјутерскО сОстеЌ. СекПе МеПвластеМП кПрОстење Ма Пваа пПрака вП целПст
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Оваа електрПМска пПрака (вклучувајќО гО О прОлПзОте) е ЎПверлОва О ЌПже Ўа
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МаЌеМета пПраката, Ме треба Ўа ја кПпОрате, ЎОстрОбуОрате ОлО Ўа ја
ПткрОвате МејзОМата сПЎржОМа, туку веЎМаш Ўа ја препратОте ЎП ОспраќачПт О
Ўа ја ОзбрОшете ПрОгОМалМата пПрака О сОте МејзОМО кПпОО ПЎ ВашОПт
кПЌпјутерскО сОстеЌ. СекПе МеПвластеМП кПрОстење Ма Пваа пПрака вП целПст
ОлО ЎелПвО ПЎ Остата е стрПгП забраМетП. Ве ЌПлОЌе Ўа забележОте Ўека
електрПМскОте пПракО се пПЎлПжМО Ма прПЌеМО. ПМе.ВОп ДООЕЛ СкПпје Ме
презеЌа ПЎгПвПрМПст за МесППЎветМП ОлО МецелПсМП преМесување Ма
ОМфПрЌацООте сПЎржаМО вП Пваа кПЌуМОкацОја, МОту пак за бОлП каквП
заЎПцМување Ма прОеЌПт ОлО Пштетувања Ма вашОПт сОстеЌ.
Ве ЌПлОЌе Ме ја печатете Пваа пПрака ПсвеМ акП Ме е МеПпхПЎМП! Зачувајте
ја прОрПЎата!
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